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What Fresh Hell: Parenting, Relationships, and Making Life Better, with Two Funny Moms

What Fresh Hell: Parenting, Relationships, and Making Life Better, with Two Funny Moms

DEEP DIVE: Dr. Lynn Koegel on the Hidden Brilliance of Autism

What Fresh Hell: Parenting, Relationships, and Making Life Better, with Two Funny Moms · Apr 27, 2026 · 36:21

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This Deep Dive series revisits some of our past episodes about the joys and the challenges that come with raising kids with differences and disabilities.

What if we're looking at autism in the wrong way? Dr. Lynn Koegel, co-author of ⁠Hidden Brilliance: Unlocking the Intelligence of Autism⁠, explains how to engage with the strengths in kids with autism rather than focusing on what they're lacking.

⁠Dr. Lynn Koegel⁠ is a clinical professor at the Stanford School of Medicine. She and her husband developed Pivotal Response Treatment which focuses on motivation. She has been supporting autistic individuals for more than 40 years.

Dr. Koegel and Margaret discuss:


Why we're focusing on the wrong things when we assess kids with autism

The power of peer support

Connecting authentically with kids with autism




Dr. Koegel explains that professionals are often trained to look at what's "wrong" with children with autism rather than what's right. It helps to look at the differences in children with autism, as Margaret likes to say, as morally neutral.

Here's where you can find Lynn:


⁠autismPRThelp.com⁠

⁠@lynn.koegel on Facebook⁠

⁠hidden-brilliance.org⁠


What Fresh Hell is co-hosted by Amy Wilson and Margaret Ables.

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