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Spiraling Is Movement — with Jana Coburn
What if getting laid off doesn’t send you scrambling back to the life you had before?
Courtney sits down with former coworker Jana Coburn to talk about the very weird experience of surviving one round of corporate layoffs… only to get your own personalized layoff a few months later. A year later, Jana’s former side hustle as a travel planner has become her main hustle — and she’s not exactly rushing back to corporate America.
They talk layoffs, career pivots, the financial reality behind choosing a less traditional path, adult ADHD, why some of us need a craft to pay attention in meetings, and finding the people who understand the way your brain works. Plus: Disney adults, aggressively detailed spreadsheets, shark tooth hunting, and why sometimes spiraling still counts as forward momentum.
Because maybe you don’t always need to have the next step figured out. Sometimes you just need to keep moving.
Connect with Jana:
Instagram: @customparkplans
Website: https://www.customparkplans.com/