Stephan Livera Podcast · Nov 11, 2026 · 54:03
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Joe Burnett, VP of Bitcoin Strategy at Strive, argues that wealth stored in dollars, gold, houses and even mega-cap stocks is melting: technology can produce more of those things, so they lose value when measured in bitcoin. He says AI speeds that process up by destroying moats, and that after the moats are gone, bitcoin is what's left.
Stephan and Joe also talk through whether a portfolio that is up in dollars can still leave you poorer, why Joe thinks Bitcoin's power law could break if fiat credit keeps expanding, and whether treasury companies and digital credit such as Strive's SATA and SATS take demand away from bitcoin itself.
Links
Joe Burnett on X: https://x.com/IIICapital
Strive: https://strive.com
Unchained, wealth melting: https://unchained.com/melting
Timestamps
00:00 — Intro
00:29 — Back to Bitcoin's Fundamentals
03:48 — What "Your Wealth Is Melting" Means
07:09 — Up in Dollars, Still Getting Poorer?
09:47 — Does AI Make Bitcoin Less Necessary?
12:55 — After Abundance, What's Left to Save In?
15:44 — Psychic Profit and the AI Trade
17:27 — Why AI Margins Get Competed Away
22:04 — Bitcoin as a Productivity Index
24:42 — Why the Power Law Might Break
30:07 — Gold Parity and a Faster Repricing?
31:55 — Does Bitcoin Need Money Printing?
36:12 — Are Treasury Cos Cannibalizing Demand?
38:53 — The MNAV Premium Objection
40:45 — SATA, SATS and Digital Credit
44:59 — Digital Credit in a Bear Market
47:30 — When Bitcoin Doesn't Stick
52:49 — Get Back to the Fundamentals
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