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School of War

How Trump Decided to Go to War with Iran, with Jonathan Swan

School of War · Jul 21, 2026 · 36:09

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Jonathan Swan, a White House reporter for The New York Times, joins School of War to discuss the reporting behind his new book, Regime Change: Inside the Imperial Presidency of Donald Trump, co-authored with Maggie Haberman. How does Donald Trump make geopolitical decisions? What drove him to join Israel’s war against Iran? How has his thinking on Ukraine evolved? And how does China fit into all of this?

02:23 - Inside Regime Change

05:29 - Trump's View of the World

09:04 - Why Trump Sees Iran Differently

11:25 - Trump's Proxy Strategy

12:44 - Steve Witkoff's Worldview

13:43 - The Principles Behind Iran Policy

14:45 - North Korea vs. Iran

16:15 - Ron Dermer's Prediction

17:58 - Why the 12-Day War Matters

20:48 - Netanyahu's Case for War

25:20 - Trump's Inner Circle on Iran

28:01 - Trump's Turn on Ukraine

30:36 - Trump's Approach to China

31:55 - Taiwan and the China Challenge

33:16 - The Future of Trump's Foreign Policy

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