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Leading From Alignment

Leading From Alignment

Episode 283: De-sizing the Church – Karl Vaters Interview – Part 2

Leading From Alignment · Mar 25, 2025 · 35:32

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In today’s episode John and Jim welcome Karl Vaters back to the mic to continue our conversation around his compelling book, De-Sizing the Church. Today Karl reveals what he is most optimistic about and most concerned about regarding pastors and the local churches they serve.

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