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The normals | Episode 3

Science Magazine Podcast · Apr 21, 2026 · 33:22

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The final of a three-part limited Science Podcast series that looks at the history of normal human subjects in research

In episode two, we heard what happened to the normals program after church volunteers came to the U.S. National Institutes of Health’s Clinical Center—and were surprisingly happy despite going through sometimes-painful procedures. In the decades to follow, the program got bigger as government funding expanded and started to recruit more broadly, stepping away from specific religious groups toward recruiting from colleges, universities, and unions.

In this episode, we hear about how normal human subjects experience research today and the ways the normals project influenced oversight and safety for these sometimes vulnerable people.

All episodes in this series

Appearing in this episode:



Laura Stark, history professor at the Center for Medicine, Health, and Society at Vanderbilt University


Jill Fisher, professor of social medicine in the Center for Bioethics at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill


Kaviya Manoharan, lecturer and clinical research program manager in the Centre for Clinical Pharmacology, SRM Medical College Hospital and Research Centre


Martin Enserink, deputy news editor at Science



Kevin McLean, Science multimedia managing producer

Sarah Crespi, Science Podcast senior host and producer


Additional resources:

BOOKS



The Normals: A People’s History of Modern America in Five Human Experiments by Laura Stark


Adverse Events: Race, Inequality, and the Testing of New Pharmaceuticals by Jill Fisher


NEWS STORIES



Global effort aims to protect health and safety of human ‘guinea pigs’ in drug trials by Martin Enserink


Key global bioethics guidelines get ‘dramatic’ update by Cathleen O’Grady


WEBSITES


Volrethics


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