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Ted Honderich pushes Sir Roger Penrose about his view about consciousness and whether it involves a relation of identity, presenting something of a dilemma in the process. These clips come from a 1999 exchange on consciousness in an episode of the In Our Time podcast with Melvyn Brαgg. For more information and full episodes of In Our Time, go to: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qykl Uploaded 05-04-26#philosophy #philosophyofmind #consciousness #metaphysics #materialism Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices