Coleman Hughes : How Woke Became Neoracism

For our first English-language episode, Thabo Motsieloa sits down with Coleman Hughes—writer, podcaster, and one of America’s most talked-about young intellectuals.

Hughes is the author of The End of Race Politics: Arguments for a Colorblind America—a book hailed by some, criticized by others, and now released in Swedish as Colorblind. He has appeared on some of the world’s biggest platforms, from Real Time with Bill Maher and The View to The Joe Rogan Experience and Making Sense with Sam Harris, earning both admiration and criticism for his unapologetic arguments. Beyond his writing and commentary, Hughes is also an accomplished jazz musician, adding yet another layer to his unique voice in the public debate.

In this conversation, Hughes and Motsieloa take on some of the most pressing—and polarizing—questions of our time: Why the modern “woke” movement, in Hughes’ view, has become a form of racism. The truth about police violence and crime statistics—and why the data tells a more complicated story.

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