Leading with a Clinician's Heart: Making a Difference in Behavioral Health with Jaime Vinck and Kelly Scaggs

What does it actually take to lead a behavioral health organization through the fastest-moving year the industry has seen? Recorded from the floor of NAATP National 2026 in Amelia Island, this episode brings together two of the field's most influential voices: Jamie Vinck, President of The Meadows and NAATP Board Chair, and Kelly Scaggs, President and CEO of Fellowship Hall and NAATP National 2026 Conference Chair.

Together with host Mark Scrivner and co-host Jeff Skillen, they unpack how AI adoption is reshaping everything from admissions to clinical documentation, why NAATP draws a hard line on ethics even when it costs the organization revenue, and how a for-profit and a nonprofit operator find more common ground than most would expect. Listeners will walk away with a clear-eyed view of where behavioral health leadership is heading — on technology, payer relations, mental health parity, and the next generation of CEOs — and why the decisions made in rooms like this one shape the standard of care for the entire industry.

Key Moments
00:59 – Jamie Vinck and Kelly Scaggs are introduced as leaders of The Meadows and Fellowship Hall
03:41 – Why this year's NAATP conference is centered on embracing AI
04:18 – The challenge of adopting AI ethically inside a heavily regulated industry
10:02 – Inside NAATP's ethics committee and the quality handbook that holds members accountable
14:44 – For-profit vs. nonprofit: where operations diverge and where the mission stays the same
21:55 – Advice for the next generation of behavioral health leaders coming up through the ranks
28:38 – Looking 3–5 years ahead: AI, value-based care, and payer relations
30:14 – The line that stuck: care for people who don't think they need it, paid for by people who don't think they should have to

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Connect with Jamie Vinck: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaime-vinck-88556245/  | https://www.themeadows.com/ 
Connect with Kelly Scaggs: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelly-scaggs-mha-lcsw-lcas-ccs-mac-icaadc-a0b17521/  | https://fellowshiphall.com/ 
Connect with Mark Scrivner: https://www.linkedin.com/in/markscrivner  | https://snapshot.agency/health 
Connect with Jeff Skillen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-skillen-199507/  | https://www.skillsetenterprises.com

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