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Trust & Influence in B2B

Trust & Influence in B2B

Stop trying to please everyone! | Karl Van den Bergh of Illumio on why consistency, not consensus, is what earns trust in B2B

Trust & Influence in B2B · Jul 25, 2026 · 30:55

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Most leadership advice pushes you toward a familiar template: decisive, diplomatic, endlessly composed. It's meant to build trust. Often it does the opposite – because trust depends on people actually knowing who you are, not the version of you assembled to fit expectations.

In this episode of Trust & Influence in B2B, Joel Harrison is joined by Karl Van den Bergh, Chief Marketing and Strategy Officer at Illumio, the breach containment company. Karl has spent more than 25 years leading go-to-market teams at global technology companies, including CMO roles at Gigamon and DataStax, and now writes regularly on authenticity and what it means to be human at work.

Together they unpack why being yourself is a trust strategy rather than a soft skill, how to tell real authenticity apart from the performative kind, and why Karl believes AI raises the value of human, relational marketing rather than eroding it.

In this episode:


Chapters

00:00 Cold open

01:26 Karl's background – from physics to CMO

03:13 Why he started writing about being yourself at work

06:10 Why a distinctive point of view is a differentiator

08:37 Personal brand vs. company brand

10:55 What authenticity actually means

11:50 Spotting performative authenticity

13:47 How authenticity cascades through a team

17:27 Where leaders fall short on consistency

19:46 Does this get harder as the stakes rise?

21:56 The counterargument: "Don't Be Yourself"

24:30 AI and the flattening of content

27:52 One thing to start doing differently next week

Karl on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/karlvandenbergh/

Joel on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joelharrison/

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