The 1965 Law That Started America's Immigration Crisis

Lora Ries says Biden's HHS lost track of 400,000 migrant children, and Congress still hasn't acted. In this interview, she walks through how America got here — a 1965 law that launched chain migration, an asylum system she calls "easy to defraud," a trafficking program that went from an estimated 600,000–800,000 victims to 27 million worldwide with only 5,000 convictions — and the specific bills she says Congress could pass right now. Her warning to Republicans heading into the midterms: "Inaction is going to keep people home."

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00:00 – 30 years in immigration policy, and how Hart-Celler launched chain migration

07:35 – The 1990 act that turned asylum and TPS into "runaway" programs

16:31 – For decades we "looked the other way" at the "small" immigration violations

21:48 – Illegal immigrants came to Nick's office to lobby for driver's licenses

22:55 – Biden's day one: Remain in Mexico scrapped and catch and release back

28:41 – "Another industrial complex": hundreds of billions flowing to immigration NGOs

34:00 – Trafficking victims went from 800,000 to 27 million, with 5,000 convictions

39:36 – Biden's HHS lost track of 400,000 of 550,000 unaccompanied children

42:58 – What Congress could pass now, starting with no asylum between ports of entry

50:04 – The Clintons, Obama and Schumer once said illegal immigration had to be stopped

55:03 – "At least 20 million" deportable aliens and a million deportations this year

1:00:53 – Only U.S. citizens should count for congressional seats and electoral votes



This is Episode 588 of Making the Argument, published September 28, 2026.
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