The Legal Podcast Network · Sep 29, 2026 · 18:00
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Episode Summary: In this episode of It’s Taxing – The IRS Podcast, host Lisa Mosbey delves into the complexities of trust stacking with Derek W. Kaczmarek, co-founder of Kaczmarek and jojola and a former IRS Senior Trial Attorney. They explore the qualified small business stock exclusion under Section 1202 of the Internal Revenue Code, a powerful tax planning tool for founders and early investors.
Derek explains how trust stacking allows multiple taxpayers to leverage the same exclusion, potentially saving millions in taxes. The discussion covers the role of non-grantor trusts, the IRS's scrutiny of aggressive tax avoidance strategies, and the lack of comprehensive guidance from Treasury. Listeners will gain insights into the potential risks and benefits of trust stacking, and how to navigate this strategy amidst evolving regulations.
Key Timestamps: 00:01 – Introduction 0:54 – Importance of Qualified Small Business Stock Exclusion 1:07 – Basics of Trust Stacking 2:05 – How Trust Stacking Works 3:37 – Role of Non-Grantor Trusts 5:06 – Treasury's Crackdown on Trust Stacking 6:49 – IRS's Line Between Planning and Avoidance 9:33 – IRS Examination of Trust Creation 10:27 – Lack of Guidance and IRS Approach 12:02 – Potential Tax Ramifications 14:16 – Impact of New Regulations on Founders 15:57 – Solutions and Advice for Taxpayers
About the Show: It’s Taxing – The IRS Podcast is a podcast dedicated to unraveling complex tax issues and providing insights into effective tax planning strategies. Hosted by tax professionals, the show targets business owners, investors, and individuals navigating the intricate world of tax law.
With a focus on clarity and practical advice, each episode breaks down challenging topics like tax disputes, IRS regulations, and tax-saving opportunities. Whether you're a seasoned entrepreneur or just starting out, It’s Taxing – The IRS Podcast offers valuable knowledge to help you make informed decisions and optimize your tax outcomes.
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