Vultisig Building for a THORChain, Rujira and Agentic Future | Podcast #216 — THORChain Livestream Podcast

In this episode, Denny and paaao discuss everything about Vultisig: what it is, its token, future plans, and much more.

THORChain is a decentralized crypto exchange. THORChain is the first and biggest DEX for Bitcoin. You can use any self custody wallet to swap and there’s no KYC required.

Timestamps:

00:00:00 Intro

00:03:00 Paaao starts

00:04:00 What is Vultisig?

00:05:00 37 chains supported — Vultisig was born from THORChain MPC/TSS technology

00:06:00 Every Vultisig user is a mini THORChain ecosystem

00:08:00 When will we have a proper referral fee on all swaps, not just THORChain?

00:12:00 What API is used? Is it OpenOcean for Solana meme coins?

00:13:00 Is there an MEV component?

00:14:00 How are swaps routed for maximum efficiency?

00:17:00 How is Vultisig positioned to take advantage of everything that's coming?

00:19:00 bRUNE support and the acquisition of Station Wallet

00:20:00 Station is being converted into a fully agentic wallet!

00:21:00 CCL on Rujira makes a great case for agentic use

00:23:00 As soon as THORChain came back, people started swapping again

00:25:00 MiCA consequences — people fleeing to self-custody

00:26:00 How do we capture these users?

00:28:00 Help us connect to communities, THORChads! Private keys are toxic!

00:30:00 We have a sophisticated SDK that we are hardening — Hermes Agent

00:31:00 Your agent can interact with other agents

00:33:00 Vultisig is a return to proper self-custody

00:35:00 Vultisig is building for the future

00:38:00 Our goal is to make the wallet super easy — please let us know what can be improved!

00:39:00 Self-hosting a Vultisig server could be powerful for businesses

00:42:00 Could the VULT token become a universal in-app gas token?

00:43:00 We'd need more centralized accounting — interesting idea

00:45:00 We don't want to mix AI with wallet setup to reduce attack vectors

00:47:00 Everyone can use Vultisig however they want, but self-hosting means maintaining your own app

00:47:30 Vultisig Marketplace — developers can create automations

00:48:00 For the first time, you can use custodial infrastructure to DCA through automated workflows

00:49:00 We are focusing primarily on the agentic side rather than the marketplace

00:51:00 Fee percentage question

00:52:00 Is Vultisig hiring?

00:53:00 Everyone is welcome to join Discord and open a PR, but we're not hiring full-time

00:54:00 How safe are AI agents with Vultisig?

00:55:00 We are focused on guardrails and multiple security layers for AI agents

00:57:00 AI agents have been our biggest challenge

00:58:00 Finding the balance between AI capabilities and guardrails is difficult

01:00:00 Rujira support is coming soon!

01:01:00 What makes you so excited about Rujira?

01:02:00 Paaao loves lending, borrowing, and the liquidation engine

01:03:00 The cross-chain capabilities are truly unique

01:04:00 The connection between Rujira and Vultisig

01:06:00 When XMR? Paaao: We're exploring how to add it

01:08:00 MPC cryptography is difficult because we use DKLS

01:09:00 MiCA regulations complicate the situation

01:11:00 Is there anything else you'd like to talk about?

01:12:00 Shout-out to the OGs: Try Vultisig again! It's changed a lot — send us feedback!

01:13:00 Shared vaults for families, trust funds, and much more

01:14:00 We want to improve communication — app releases every week

01:16:00 Quai recommendation

01:17:00 THORChain is a cockroach!