THORChain Livestream Podcast · Sep 20, 2026 · 1:43:23
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In this episode, the team discusses with Matt and Xardas about AI in crypto; AI security, sovereignty, responsibility, hardware, and what THORChain can do to prepare for an increasingly agentic future.
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Timestamps:
00:00:00 Intro
00:02:30 Marketing update
00:04:00 Sovereign AI setup of Payne
00:07:00 History of Xardas, founder of NGRAVE
00:08:00 Xardas begins — the acceleration of AI
00:11:00 History of a previous venture, Storm City, and dealing with exploits
00:15:00 Xardas' history with the NGRAVE wallet
00:17:00 The security of AI permissions will need to extend beyond cryptographic keys!
00:19:00 There is a layer between information and secrets you don't want other people to access (like a firewall)
00:21:00 100% reliable AI infrastructure that is not hackable does not currently exist — until now
00:25:00 These AI models will mostly be used by companies in the beginning. These agents will be able to interact with other entities on your behalf
00:29:00 Eventually, AI will be able to exploit any hole in code that exists
00:31:00 Will AI solve mathematical proofs? Yes, but it doesn't need to!
00:36:00 The place to verify the hardness and security of the system must be very secure
00:39:00 It is futile to get alignment from the model
00:41:00 Kenton: Everyone wants to outsource responsibility
00:43:00 Innovation will come where freedom is preserved
00:47:00 We need the ability to MAINTAIN sovereignty, and companies should be wise to this (liability)
00:51:00 Will this be miniaturized and available for everyone to safely interact with the internet?
00:56:00 Terminator 2 analogy
00:58:00 Sovereign AI is the new watchdog
01:02:00 What can THORChain do to be ready for this future?
01:07:00 Screenshare of website
01:14:00 It's important to believe that creating freedom brings more value
01:16:00 These systems will be mandatory to protect sensitive data
01:20:00 The cost of securing one's system will be far, far cheaper
01:22:00 Regulations will only delay innovation and the inevitable
01:29:00 How long will the hardware last in terms of capability?
01:31:00 Cost of hardware
01:33:00 How does updating work?
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