Dentistry is experiencing an attack by well-funded corporations who want to own the work of each dentist’s hands. While the promises of wealth and ease DSO’s present to owner-dentists appear enticing, experience shows the reality is very different. Just Say No to the DSO is a deep dive podcast for dentists in all stages of their career. It is especially for those who are looking at whether or not the option to sell to a DSO is the right choice. Our expert hosts, Bob Spiel, MBA and Nate Williams, CPA, CFP take listeners on a step by step jour...
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Sep 28, 2026 · 36:51
Nate and Bob open this episode of Just Say No to the DSO by dissecting a recent email from broker Chip Fitchner that treats Walmart’s quarterly numbers and the next recession as…
Sep 4, 2026 · 52:40
Bob Speil and Nate Williams open with the starfish principle—one doctor who doesn’t sell is worth the whole podcast—then analogize DSO dealmaking to Big Tobacco: a fortune in…
Aug 15, 2026 · 57:26
In this episode, Dr. Whitney Weiner shares her journey from private practice to joining ICON Dental Partners, discussing the motivations, challenges, and industry insights…
Aug 1, 2026 · 53:03
This is a special Just Say No episode with a dentist who entered into a DSO and realized it was the wrong way forward for himself as his patients. Dr. Brad Langley recounts his…
Jul 27, 2026 · 56:00
In this episode, Dr. Stephanie Klasner shares her journey through the dental industry, her experiences with DSO models, and her insights on ethical practice and ownership.…
Jul 6, 2026 · 24:26
In this episode, Dr. Michael Davis discusses the pitfalls of DSO affiliations, legal settlements, and the importance of ethical practice in dentistry. He highlights recent cases…
Jul 3, 2026 · 51:15
This episode features Dr. Mike Davis discussing the complex financial restructuring of major DSOs like Dental Care Alliance and Affordable Care, revealing the risks for dentists…
Jun 18, 2026 · 32:03
As a dental professional, you may wonder about the implications of selling your practice to a DSO versus a private buyer. In this episode it's case study time as we delve into…
Jun 3, 2026 · 1:02:54
We've looked at serveral dentists deep into their careers and gone over how a DSO doesn't really make sense...what about the doctor with all of the promise in the world on the…
May 12, 2026 · 25:33
This episode exposes the realities behind DSO equity and why selling to a DSO often results in less financial benefit than expected. There is a magic trick all DSOs are trying to…
May 1, 2026 · 44:07
Starting a dental practice can be daunting, but with the right insights and support, it can also be incredibly rewarding. Mike and Christy Crockett, who have navigated the…
May 1, 2026 · 45:09
Starting a dental practice can be daunting, but with the right insights and support, it can also be incredibly rewarding. Mike and Christy Crockett, who have navigated the…
Apr 19, 2026 · 36:00
This episode exposes the hidden truths behind DSO deals in dentistry, revealing how dentists are often financially fleeced through complex deal structures. Bob and Nate bring you…
Apr 14, 2026 · 56:12
In this in-depth interview, a blue blooded Tar Heel, Dr. Travis Nixon shares his insights on the rise of DSOs, legislative challenges, and how dentists can protect their…
Mar 27, 2026 · 25:48
This episode explores the six fundamental principles that reveal why DSO deals are detrimental to dental practitioners. Hosts Bob and Nate dissect the realities of private equity…
Mar 25, 2026 · 1:10:44
summary In this episode, Dr. Michael W. Davis shares critical insights into the private equity influence on dentistry, the risks of DSOs, and how dentists can protect their…
Mar 17, 2026 · 1:27:58
Nate sits down with the Orthodontic Pearls podcast in order to give his take on owning your own practice and why to stay away from selling out to PE and DSO groups. It's a full…
Mar 12, 2026 · 33:36
This episode features a candid discussion on the realities of DSOs in dentistry, highlighting industry failures, ethical concerns, and the importance of dentists making informed…
Feb 28, 2026 · 1:19:12
In this conversation, Nate and Dr. Joe Feller discuss the complexities and challenges faced by orthodontists when considering selling their practices to DSOs. Dr. Feller shares…
Feb 18, 2026 · 44:04
In a conversation between two of the most soothing voices on the internet, Bob Spiel interviews Jonathan Martin, a CPA with extensive experience in dental transitions. They…
Feb 5, 2026 · 1:06:09
In this conversation, Bob Affleck shares his extensive experience in the dental industry, discussing the implications of selling dental practices to DSOs. He highlights the…
Jan 14, 2026 · 1:05:19
Nate sits down with Dr. Blake Maxfield on this amazing interview with a practicing doctor who went through the entire courting and recruitment process where he almost signed the…
Jan 7, 2026 · 22:51
In this episode, hosts Bob and Nate delve into the myths surrounding DSOs, particularly focusing on the allure of DSO equity. They discuss the reality of ownership structures,…
Dec 10, 2025 · 40:17
In this conversation, Dr. Maksim Montatskiy sits down with Bob and Nate to discuss the complexities of partnerships, particularly focusing on the value and decision-making…
Nov 15, 2025 · 25:55
The conversation explores the myth surrounding the belief that dental practices are too large to sell to private buyers. It delves into the origins of this misconception and its…
Oct 30, 2025 · 1:13:27
In this conversation, Nate speaks with Dan and Aaron Lewis about the complexities of dental practice transitions, particularly focusing on the implications of selling to Dental…
Oct 17, 2025 · 28:01
Bob and Nate are back to discuss the common misconception that DSOs pay more for dental practices than private buyers and they are bringing receipts. They delve into the concept…
Sep 7, 2025 · 21:54
In this episode of 'Just Say No to the DSO', hosts Bob and Nate discuss the complexities of transitioning dental practices, particularly for those with multiple locations. They…
Aug 25, 2025 · 22:22
Bob and Nate discuss the complexities of transitioning a dental practice without selling to a DSO. They explore the concept of a walk away sale, addressing common uncertainties…
Aug 16, 2025 · 34:23
In this conversation, Bob and Nate discuss the complexities of transitioning a dental practice, particularly focusing on the implications of selling to a DSO versus bringing on…
Aug 8, 2025 · 53:36
In this conversation, Bob Spiel and Steven J Anderson delve into the evolving landscape of dentistry, particularly focusing on the impact of Dental Service Organizations (DSOs)…
Aug 2, 2025 · 23:36
In this episode, Bob and Nate discuss the evolving landscape of dental service organizations (DSOs) and the implications for private practice owners. They explore the risks…
Jul 21, 2025 · 28:52
Bob and Nate continue discussing the implications of selling dental practices to Dental Service Organizations (DSOs). They argue that selling to a DSO can lead to financial loss…
Jul 16, 2025 · 29:43
In this episode of 'Just Say No to the DSO', hosts Bob Spiel and Nate Williams discuss the implications of the DSO movement in dentistry. They emphasize the importance of private…
Jun 30, 2025 · 1:32:13
Nate ventures out into the wilderness and is guest with Gary Bird for today's episode. This is a collabortive project and highlights the great being done to further the…
Jun 20, 2025 · 43:22
In this inspiring conversation, Bob and Dr. Lou Berman delve into the complexities of the DSO landscape, particularly within the field of endodontics. They discuss the financial…
Jun 16, 2025 · 41:14
In this conversation, Bob hosts Daniel and Mila Cohen, who share their journey of building a successful independent dental practice. They discuss the challenges and rewards of…
May 26, 2025 · 36:04
We are in for a double treat today as Bob interviews two incredible dentists, Dr Jill Tanzi and Dr Kristine Grazioso. Not only are we staying on the east coast for this episode,…
May 14, 2025 · 25:28
Bob is back and rolling with another great guest. We are headed to the east coast, just outside of Boston with Dr Eric Block. Dr. Block is a member of the American Dental…
Apr 21, 2025 · 53:31
The hits continue at Just Say No, Bob interviews esteemed MD Dr. Robert McNamara who is a professor and Chair of Emergency Medicine at the Lewis Katz School of Medicine at Temple…
Apr 6, 2025 · 47:55
Super star guest Jason Wood hops back in the ring with Nate in order to clean up some lingering questions and try to address some long standing fallicies from a previous, high…
Apr 6, 2025 · 45:04
Super star guest Jason Wood hops back in the ring with Nate in order to clean up some lingering questions and try to address some long standing fallicies from a previous, high…
Mar 17, 2025 · 55:40
Here is part 2 of our great interview with Dr. Aaron Swapp. The conversation gets very dialed in between Nate and Dr Swapp.
Mar 17, 2025 · 52:42
Nate is back traveling around the country in order to get the best interviews with the best professionals. We were put in touch with Dr Aaron Swap in order to have a great…
Mar 7, 2025 · 1:11:30
Full steam ahead with no going back! The show is picking up incredible momentum thanks to our great listeners. Nate grabs another incredible guest this week in Scott Haley from…
Feb 28, 2025 · 1:11:59
How do professionals begin and interact with the dental industry? So many great people from various backgrounds are attracted to this amazing field and we have one of the best…
Feb 21, 2025 · 1:00:48
Here the amazing conclusion to the conversation between attorney Jason Wood and Nate as they disect where deals seem to stop making sense.
Feb 21, 2025 · 48:09
Just Say No to the DSO is coming off of some hot interviews and following up with experts all over the country to go over the details and discerne between fact and fiction. Nate…
Feb 17, 2025 · 44:33
After the Chip interview, Bob and Nate breakdown an actual DSO deal offer in order to get a better idea and understanding at what the tangible numbers look like. We wish we were…
Jan 20, 2025 · 1:03:38
After our amazing interview with Chip Fichtner, we've let the dust settle a bit and had time to digest as well as think over what was said. Bob and Nate discuss what iDSOs are…
Jan 20, 2025 · 1:26:36
We are back for an amazing start to season 3. Bob and Nate sit down with one of the biggest iDSO brokers in the world, Chip Fichtner. This is an amazing interview to showcase…
Jul 15, 2024 · 29:22
In this final episode of Season 2, Bob Spiel and Nate Williams emphasize the need for dentists to critically assess DSO offers and understand the financial biases at play that…
Jul 6, 2024 · 23:44
Get ready for a candid and insightful chat as Bob Spiel and Nate Williams summarize Season 2 of "Just Say No to the DSO" – foreshadowing the end of Season 2 (although there will…
Jun 14, 2024 · 23:37
Bob and Nate encouraging dentists to reject DSO sales pitches and maintain ownership of their practices for long-term success. Reiterating the importance of staying engaged in…
May 29, 2024 · 20:48
In this episode of “Just In this episode of "Just Say No to the DSO," hosts Bob Spiel and Nate Williams dive deep into the subject of DSO sale and employment contracts, and the…
May 16, 2024 · 32:50
In this episode of Just Say No to the DSO hosts Bob Spiel and Nate Williams dive deep into the subject of ownership in a DSO, or what is called “Equity”. They describe why Equity…
May 8, 2024 · 38:06
In this episode of "Just Say No to the DSO" hosts Bob Spiel and Nate Williams dive deep into the deceptive tactics employed by Dental Service Organizations (DSOs) to lure…
Apr 26, 2024 · 24:58
The podcast is episode three of Season 2 for “Just Say No to the DSO." Hosted by Bob Spiel and co-host Nate Williams, it discusses reasons why dental practice owners should avoid…
Apr 16, 2024 · 21:06
In this podcast episode of "Just Say No to the DSO," hosts Bob Spiel and Nate Williams discuss the importance of dentists maintaining control of their practices rather than…
Apr 9, 2024 · 29:31
The podcast is episode one of Season 2 for “Just Say No to the DSO"; Hosted by Bob Spiel and co-host Nate Williams, it discusses reasons why dental practice owners should avoid…
Sep 13, 2023 · 52:39
Concluding Season 1, the conversation focuses on the complexities and challenges associated with dentists selling to Dental Service Organizations (DSOs). Many dentists who engage…
Sep 13, 2023 · 39:32
In this episode, the hosts discuss the nuances and complexities of joining Dental Service Organizations (DSO’s), particularly highlighting the illusion they create of community…
Sep 13, 2023 · 42:14
In this podcast episode, our hosts dive into the distinctions between the medical and dental industries. As the discussion unfolds, Nate interviews Bob drawing on his experience…
Sep 13, 2023 · 41:36
Episode 4 dives deep into the financial intricacies and emotional pressures associated with Dental Service Organizations (DSOs). Initially, the hosts explore the selling tactics…
Sep 7, 2023 · 54:12
In this episode, hosts Bob Spiel and Nate Williams focus on the impact of Dental Support Organizations (DSOs) on the dental industry and their mission to dissuade dentists from…
Sep 7, 2023 · 35:32
In this podcast episode, Bob and Nate discuss the reasons why dentists should not sell their dental practices to Dental Support Organizations (DSOs). Nate emphasizes the…
Sep 7, 2023 · 24:39
In this episode, Bob Spiel and Nate Williams introduce their podcast "Just Say No to the DSO." They discuss their purpose, which is to persuade dental practice owners not to sell…
Aug 23, 2023 · 3:39
In the trailer we share who Bob Spiel and Nate Williams are, why we are so passionate about the future of dentistry being owned by dentists and not corporations, and what are the…
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