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Defending Ideas

Defending Ideas

Can the states fix what Washington can’t? | Sen. John Curtis

Defending Ideas · Sep 1, 2026 · 46:02

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Could giving states more freedom to experiment help America find better answers to our toughest challenges? 

On this episode of Defending Ideas, Sen. John Curtis of Utah joins host Nic Dunn to discuss how state-level experimentation can lead to better policy on some of the country’s most difficult questions. From AI and data centers to wildfire prevention, forest management, and public lands, Curtis and Dunn explore why a marketplace of ideas generally leads to better outcomes than a one-size-fits-some approach. 

Curtis also explains why he believes policymakers should embrace pilot programs, encourage innovation, and demand accountability so they can learn what works – and what doesn’t.

Defending Ideas is a weekly podcast produced by Sutherland Institute. On this show, we are committed to renewing the principles of common sense conservatism, making you a better champion of sound ideas. Visit defendingideas.org.

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