Utah, Upward Mobility, and the Future of the American Dream | Justin Callais

A new national report ranks all 50 states on upward mobility — and Utah comes out on top. In this episode of Defending Ideas, Nic Dunn sits down with Archbridge Institute Chief Economist Justin Callais to unpack what upward mobility really looks like, why states play a decisive role, and what policymakers can learn from the states that are getting it right.

Show Notes:

• Social Mobility in the 50 States: 2025 Edition
• To restore hope for families in poverty, let states lead on welfare reform
• Let states fix the welfare system that Washington broke

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