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Macro Musings with David Beckworth

Macro Musings with David Beckworth

Dan Awrey on the Future of the U.S. Payments System in a Digital World

Macro Musings with David Beckworth · Feb 9, 2026 · 56:32

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Dan Awrey is a professor of Law at Cornell University and the author of the new book Beyond Banks: Technology, Regulation, and the Future of Money. Dan returns to the show to discuss his new book, the shadow monetary system, the case for markets to correct this problem, Gresham's new law, his proposals for fixing the payments system, and much more.

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Recorded on January 13th, 2025

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Timestamps

00:00:00 - Intro

00:01:16 - Beyond Banks

00:16:04 - Shadow Monetary System

00:26:07 - Can't Markets Solve Payment Problems?

00:28:16 - Gresham's New Law

00:40:27 - Dan's Proposal for Money and Payments

00:55:51 - Outro

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