How Did Masih Alinejad and Aldrich Ames's Sources End Up on Kill Lists?

Information CIA officer Aldrich Ames gave the KGB led to the execution of at least ten CIA and FBI intelligence sources, a Justice Department review found, and the Justice Department says Iran's government directed a plot to murder journalist Masih Alinejad in New York. I ask retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke how people end up targeted for death in spy cases.

Carlisle Rivera was sentenced to the maximum fifteen years for his role in the plot against Alinejad, and Jonathan Loadholt was sentenced to ten. Prosecutors say Farhad Shakeri offered Rivera $100,000 to find and kill her. Ames was sentenced to life in prison.

Robin, the former chief of the FBI's Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program, explains what makes someone a target, who else ends up in danger when names change hands, and how a spy convinces himself he's just passing along information. These cases are separate from Nvidia, and I ask Robin whether anything reported in the Nvidia spy affair points to a safety risk or whether that would be jumping ahead of the facts.

We end on what it's like to be the agent a source trusts to keep their family safe.

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