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Welcome, writers and book lovers. The Bleeders is a podcast about book writing and publishing.
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Today's guest Elle Griffin set out to query her gothic novel and, in the process, made some disappointing discoveries about the publishing industry that led her to serialize it on Substack. In this episode from the archives, Elle shares her journey down this unconventional path that definitely has some upsides, like making $19K her first year on Substack and retaining the rights to her work. Elle also explains why Anne Lamott's shitty first draft advice does not work for her, what it's been like writing her second serialized novel as she's publishing it, and more. Elle is the author of the gothic novel
Obscurity and the utopian novel called
Oblivion. Subscribe to Elle's Substack,
The Elysian, which has gone through a rebrand since we spoke.
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The Bleeders is hosted by Courtney Kocak. Follow her on
Instagram @courtneykocak and
Bluesky @courtneykocak.bsky.social. For more, check out her website
courtneykocak.com.
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