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Writer-director Lee Kirk joins No Film School’s GG Hawkins to break down the making of Nimrods, his Green Day-inspired coming-of-age road movie. Kirk traces his path from studying acting at DePaul University to learning screenwriting and eventually directing, and explains how his acting background continues to shape the way he works with performers. He also discusses developing Nimrods with Billie Joe Armstrong, weaving real stories from Green Day into the screenplay, casting and rehearsing a young ensemble, building a collaborative crew, creating a timeless visual texture, embracing improvisation, and shooting a live Green Day concert with thousands of actual fans.
In this episode, No Film School's GG Hawkins and guest Lee Kirk discuss...
How Kirk’s acting training at DePaul University led him toward screenwriting and directing
Learning story structure through John Truby’s 22-step approach and The Anatomy of Story
How Chris Messina encouraged Kirk to direct his first feature, The Giant Mechanical Man
Why an acting background can help directors understand how to communicate with performers
How Billie Joe Armstrong approached Kirk with the initial premise for Nimrods
Reverse engineering a feature screenplay from a predetermined Green Day concert ending
Using real stories from Billie Joe Armstrong, Mike Dirnt, and Tré Cool as inspiration for the screenplay
Drawing from movies like The Goonies, Vacation, Footloose, and Risky Business to establish the film’s tone
Making a contemporary movie feel nostalgic through vinyl, cassettes, camcorders, old cars, and other analog textures
What Kirk looks for when hiring department heads and why collaborative problem-solving matters
Turning an Oklahoma City junkyard into a convincing punk venue
Casting Mason Thames, Mckenna Grace, and the rest of the young ensemble
Using actors’ existing talents to add specificity and production value to a movie
Conducting chemistry reads over Zoom when the budget made in-person auditions impractical
Why rehearsal is less about locking down performances and more about making actors comfortable enough to play on set
Helping actors get out of their heads by giving them time, space, and permission to experiment
Using long pauses as a directing tool to help actors access emotion
Why Kirk deliberately maintains a calm demeanor on set, even when production is stressful
Finding unexpected moments through ad-libs and improvisation, including a spontaneous Fred Armisen scene
Shooting 28 days in Oklahoma City before moving to Los Angeles for four additional days
Capturing the Green Day concert with four cameras and roughly 2,000 real Green Day fans
Why Kirk specifically budgeted for large numbers of extras after lessons learned on previous productions
Kirk’s advice for emerging filmmakers on studying story structure, watching films analytically, writing frequently, and taking advantage of accessible filmmaking tools
Memorable Quotes:
“I listen to these tapes and everything changed for me then.”
“I feel like that's kinda like when the best stuff happens because now everyone's out of their comfort zone, but everyone's prepared so everyone can do, make that pivot.”
“Even if I'm not calm, even if I'm feeling so stressed out on the inside, I just put forward this feeling like I'm good. I know what I'm doing. Everything's fine.”
“Story is everything.”
Guests:
Lee Kirk
Resources:
Nimrods on IMDb
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