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Elgin and Larissa cohost the "Into the Desert" podcast on YouTube which seeks to inspire honest discussion without derision and name calling.
Obviously, with your flawed host here, the only way to accomplish that was to have them take over the show. I mean almost. Kind of. Sorta.
But I mostly followed their lead and we discussed political issues, questions of theology, and all sorts of things without anyone insuitling anyone. But I may have caught one of them doing a shot. I'm not saying which one and I'm probably lying. But I'm being truthful when I tell you, they are lovely people and we had intelligent discourse. Thus, I think visitations to the desert might be helpful to all.