Behind the Mask of Shame Part 2 - Grit, Shame, and Burnout — Behind The Knife: The Surgery Podcast

A career in surgery has a profound impact on those who practice the craft. High rates of poor mental health are well described but incompletely understood. One potential mechanism for advancing our understanding of surgeon well-being is studying surgeons' emotional experiences. Shame, a self-conscious emotion reflecting how an individual feels about themselves, could be a particularly powerful lens. In this series on shame in surgery, we explore what we know about shame in surgery and what shame can tell us about learning and working as surgeons.

In this second episode, we talk with Dr. ElAbd and Dr. Zammit about their study examining the relationship between shame-based learning, grit, and burnout across surgical specialties. Their findings highlight how grit may both protect against burnout and mediate whether residents go on to shame others.

Host: Steven Thornton

Guests:
1. Rawan ElAbd (Plastic Surgery Resident, McGill University)
2. Dino Zammit (Assistant Professor of Plastic Surgery, McGill University)

Publications Discussed:
1. ElAbd R, Pu L, Esmonde-White C, ElHawary H, Vorstenbosch J, Zammit D. Association of Grit and Shame Based Learning on Burnout in Surgical Training: A Single Institution Analysis. J Surg Educ. 2025 Sep;82(9):103583. doi: 10.1016/j.jsurg.2025.103583. Epub 2025 Jun 27. PMID: 40580606.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40580606/

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