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Decoder with Nilay Patel

Decoder with Nilay Patel

The tiny team trying to keep AI from destroying everything

Decoder with Nilay Patel · Dec 4, 2025 · 38:20

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Today, I’m talking with Verge senior AI reporter Hayden Field about some of the people responsible for studying AI and deciding in what ways it might… well, ruin the world. Those folks work at Anthropic as part of a group called the societal impacts team, which Hayden just spent time with for a profile she published this week on The Verge. 

The team is just nine people out of more than 2,000 who work at Anthropic, and their only job, as the team members themselves say, is to investigate and publish quote "inconvenient truths” about AI. That of course brings up a whole host of problems, the most important of which is whether this team can remain independent, or even exist at all, as it publicizes findings about Anthropic's own products that might be unflattering or even politically fraught. 

Links: 


It’s their job to keep AI from destroying everything | The Verge


Anthropic details how it measures Claude’s wokeness | The Verge


White House orders tech companies to make AI bigoted again | The Verge


Chaos and lies: Why Sam Altman was booted from OpenAI | The Verge


How Elon Musk Is remaking Grok in his image | NYT


Anthropic tries to defuse White House backlash | Axios 

New AI battle: White House vs. Anthropic | Axios


Anthropic will pursue gulf state investments after all | Wired



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Credits:

Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane. 

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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