Laura Flanders and Friends: Solutions-Focused Progressive Perspectives on Politics, News, and Culture · Sep 23, 2026 · 28:47
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This month, on Laura Flanders & Friends, we’re taking a closer look at criminal justice—through the lens of abolition, accountability, and the power of the creative arts to tell fuller, truer stories. This week we’ll examine abolitionist approaches to migrant justice, separating fact from fear when it comes to mass detention
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Description: When it comes to crime and migration, all sorts of politicians have justified mass detention and incarceration in the name of confronting a dangerous crisis. But what's real and what's fear mongering, and how can reformers counter the rhetoric to advance alternatives? In this episode, Laura Flanders and co-host Amir Khafagy speak with Silky Shah, Executive Director of Detention Watch Network, about her new book is “UNBUILD WALLS: Why Immigrant Justice Needs Abolition”, and Aron Thorn, Senior Attorney with the Texas Civil Rights Project’s Beyond Borders Program about the road ahead. Texas Governor Greg Abbott's Operation Lone Star program and the state-based deportation process proposed in his state's Senate Bill SB4 could set the tone for the country. Activists can do their best to call out abuses, but what is really needed is an entirely new approach. What difference would an abolitionist lens make?
Guests:
• Amir Khafagy (Co-host): Journalist, Report for America Member, Documented
• Silky Shah: Director, Detention Watch Network; Author, Unbuild Walls
• Aron Thorn: Senior Attorney, Texas Civil Rights Project (TCRP), Beyond Borders Program
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“Unbuild Walls: Why Immigrant Justice Needs Abolition” by Silky Shah, Get the Book
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• Know Your Rights Under Texas’ Deportation Scheme SB4, ACLU-Texas, Learn More Here
• Aron Thorn on Texas Border Standoff, CounterSpin, February 4, 2024, Listen / Download
• Most people think the U.S. crime rate is rising. They’re wrong. by Ken Dilanian, NBC News, December 16, 2023, Read Here
Featured ‘Music in the Middle’ of the Podcast:
RUMTUM remix of “Mirage” by Captain Planet courtesy of Bastard Jazz Records, Listen & Learn More
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