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Shame doesn’t tell you that you did something bad. It tells you that you are bad—and that distinction can quietly shape your relationships, choices, and sense of self.
AJ sits down with physician and author Dr. Frank Spinelli to explore why shame is so difficult to outrun. Frank explains how shame differs from guilt, the ways it can show up through people pleasing, perfectionism, avoidance, substances, and relationship sabotage, and why suppressing it often makes the cycle stronger. Instead of treating shame as something to eliminate, he offers a different approach: learn to recognize what it’s trying to tell you.
You’ll learn Frank’s four Ps for responding when shame gets triggered, how to recognize shame in your body before it takes over, and the COMPASS framework for building shame resilience. Frank also explains how core values, self-compassion, boundaries, community, and honest disclosure can help you stop isolating and build deeper relationships without expecting someone else to fix or validate your past.
00:00 – The critical difference between shame and guilt03:45 – Five signs shame may be running your life05:46 – How trauma turns into self-blame07:58 – Where shame shows up in your body09:35 – Stop running from the past and address the present11:06 – The four Ps for responding to shame14:22 – Why suppressing difficult emotions backfires18:22 – Start treating shame as information20:23 – The COMPASS framework for shame resilience24:01 – Why community is an antidote to isolation27:07 – Separate your identity from your shame29:20 – Use your core values to interrupt shame32:20 – You don’t need to hit rock bottom to change34:38 – How to support someone struggling with shame37:19 – What to do when shame takes over in the moment40:56 – Journaling and body mapping your shame47:14 – Stop worrying about what other people think49:22 – How shame creates distance in relationships53:18 – How to share your shame with someone you love
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